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It takes time, trail blazers, luck, patience & money

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In the time I have been breeding silvers it seems as though people want the end product without realizing that it takes time, patience, luck, money, etc. to get to it. It gets very frustrating to consistently hear I want a black silver, or I want a silver warmblood that is able to get full registration papers or I want an silver appaloosa that has spots.

I understand, really I do!!!
I want the same things, however, it takes time and people that are willing to breed for it.

Right now, as far as, I know in QH my boy, Champs Guthrie (AQHA/NFQHA) and his son, Andretti MVF (AQHA Appendix) & his daughter, RoseMari MVF (AQHA Appendix) filly can produce black silvers. The others are homozygous for agouti - resulting in bay or brown.

As far as warmbloods of full size are concerned and full registration, the only way I can see that anyone can get full registration with a reputable WB organization is through fillies and is either to find the ellusive silver Dutch warmbloods or to take an appendix QH with 50+% TB blood, have them approved Old NA/ISR, breed to WB and breed the QH out. This will take several years and no QH listed through 3 generations! This was my goal with Amelia MVF & RoseMari MVF as both are almost 60% TB blood. I believe it is Talia's goal to breed her 1/2 Trakehner/Paint filly along this route as well.

Now with appaloosa ... correct me if I am wrong but I believe no one has stepped forward with any registered Appaloosa to date except our Khepri TDS. Unfortunately she didn't get her spots but could be bred to a snow cap or few spot for guaranteed spots with the chance of silver.

Please understand I am not trying to be negative or anything just wanted to remind people that silver is in such early stages of development for black silver, warmbloods and appaloosa that you will either have to wait and hope someone produces what you are looking for or you will need to step up and work on producing it yourself. Ideally it would be nice if we all were apart of developing the final products since we all have different goals not just relying on a select few.

Monique

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Amen!

This is why I want to know the agouti status of every silver stallion/colt I run across and am overjoyed even to see some who are heterozygous. Even funnier, my mare is homozygous agouti herself so my questions most certainly don't have to do with producing a black silver myself, but I want to know it would be POSSIBLE for THAT foal to produce one.

I'm also anxious for the days of homozygous silvers... and homozygous BLACK homozygous silvers. Laughing Yes, yes, I know, it's a long way off. But people are working towards it and that is all anyone can ask!

Oh and just for the record, I know of a tested black silver who shows NO signs of being silver. He just looks black. So even finding a stallion that can produce a black silver, or a homozygous silver, doesn't necessarily guarantee the phenotype (which is the case with most colors anyway).

Yes, I'm fairly certain you're right about Khepri. I've seen a few that I suspected but I've never found any proof.

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Thank you, ACC!

What breed is the black silver?
That is really interesting! It seems that something else must be at play in allowing silver to express or not. Sooty or ???

The only silver AQHA colt/stallion that I don't know the color on is Chinky Silver owned by the Vosslers (Bar U Champ Binder's owners). I sent them an email so hopefully I will here soon.

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He's a Riding Pony registered in the Australian book. One of only two or three silvers in the breed. His dam was much more apparent than he is. He was also more apparent as a foal.

http://www.equine-color.info/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=615

On the right when he was a weanling:
http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

Yearling here I think:
http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

His dam:
http://www.equine-color.info/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=616

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I forgot about him. His owner posts on the silver yahoo group. I LOVE him!

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6 I agree! on 1/11/2010, 9:58 am

Great post Monique. I am right there with you.

I know in my case too I have a mare that is EE aa nZ, but I am dead-set on continuing her training and pursuing a show career these next few years. The same goes for Andretti although I do plan on attempting a test breeding with Angel next year - but that's only because I'm on a tight schedule due to her age.

If people want color AND a performance history they have to wait even longer to get what they want. I am sure this investment of time will be worth it though. I could start scooping up mares right now and churn out 15 or 20 silvers a year if I wanted to - but I'd rather do things right from the start. I don't want to have to defend my horses and my program the way many dilute breeders have to.

I believe it would take 5 female generations in order for a part Paint or QH silver Warmblood to be eligible for full papers with either the RPSI or the ISR - depending on the % of TB blood. I am certain I will attempt to get Bella's approval for one of those registries once breeding is back on the radar for her. I am confident she will obtain it. She has very little TB blood however so I am looking at a long and expensive process with regards to obtaining full papers with one of her great-great-great-great grandkids...

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Liked your post Monique Very Happy

For us here in AUS it can be so frustrating as the colour itself is just not identified correctly most of the time, we have breeders advertising dark Pally's as Chocolate Silvers and others who have silver's in their paddock .. without realizing. For example our little QH mare (pic avatar) was advertised as a black buckskin!
When we laid eyes on her we knew she had to be a silver dilute carrier! We mentioned to the owner and he said the reason he was selling her was because she was supposed to throw chestnuts with a flaxen mane and tail (called Taffy here) !! and she had not.. WOW it was our lucky day.
WE are counting down until her foal arrives Smile

There is a stunning black silver part Warmblood/Aus Stock horse filly that we have heard about and she is on the market here in Aus--tested homozygous black!!
Will keep you posted Wink

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tbtash wrote:Liked your post Monique Very Happy

For us here in AUS it can be so frustrating as the colour itself is just not identified correctly most of the time, we have breeders advertising dark Pally's as Chocolate Silvers and others who have silver's in their paddock .. without realizing. For example our little QH mare (pic avatar) was advertised as a black buckskin!
When we laid eyes on her we knew she had to be a silver dilute carrier! We mentioned to the owner and he said the reason he was selling her was because she was supposed to throw chestnuts with a flaxen mane and tail (called Taffy here) !! and she had not.. WOW it was our lucky day.
WE are counting down until her foal arrives Smile

There is a stunning black silver part Warmblood/Aus Stock horse filly that we have heard about and she is on the market here in Aus--tested homozygous black!!
Will keep you posted Wink

LOL. My silver buckskin mare Angel was originally registered as buckskin, then her former owner actually had her color registration changed to dun. They were closer the first time around!

Angel's dam was registered as a buckskin from two sorrel parents which begs the question: How did they miss silver, cream, AND black in Angel's grandparents?

I would be very interested in seeing pics of that silver Warmblood cross!

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Silver Spring Farm-- I am having trouble posting pics on the forum.. but will try again or email them Smile

Found out the filly is actually Ee so slight confusion on the owners part.

But she is a very nice type.. if only we had unlimited funds Wink

She is the exact colour of Andretti, just gorgeous with heaps of dapples!

Best of luck with your horses Smile

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GREAT I GOT IT TO WORK Very Happy

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WOW, her color REALLY reminds me of my mare Bella! They could be sisters!

Bella is EE aa nZ

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12 taffy ash/warmblood , on 2/19/2010, 6:29 am

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tell me more about the taffy ash /warmblood filly. i am interested in her.

Hi aus Very Happy
email me or pm and I will pass on the details.
Cheers

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I agree it is frustrating. We had so many contact us about Roxy's foals before they were born saying they would buy them as long as they were silver. To us that did not make a lot of sense. We breed our horses for mind, athelitism and conformation. color was only a bonus.

And I agree they need to be proven before breeding in what ever discpline you are doing.

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